F.K.S.'s Asshole vs. Douchebag debate.
If you've ever heard of F.K.S. through Deadspin or by luckily falling into it, you're lucky, if not, you'll not get the link here, good luck googling that shit.
I'm going to borrow a rating scale from them to rate many athletes and sports sites. For those who don't know the ratings that guys can fall into, they are as follows:
Asshole, Douchebag, Good Shit, or Badass.
Supposedly Badass is supposed to be an asshole who is cool enough to get away with it, but I'd like to think it also encompasses non-assholes who are kingshits.
Assholes are people who knowingly annoy people, either cause they can't help it, or if they are real assholes because they want to. Douchebags are those who think they are cool but unknowingly are annoying like A-holes but in a generally more whiny way. Good Shits are neutral and are generally good guys who go unnoticed, but don't cause harm. Badasses are self-explanatory, although there is an explanation above.
F.K.S. has defined Assholes and Douches as mutually exclusive, but I disagree. For example, Bonds has been described as an asshole for good reason, he knowingly broke the rules (unless you believe that unknowingly took it BS, and also believe O.J. isn't guilty) and he's almost single-handedly made records worthless when it comes to hitting HR's. However, his constant whining, makes him one of the douchiest baseball players in the sport as well. So therefore we would need to measure Asshole and Douche on an X-Y coordinate system, to show that people can be both audaciously asshole, and whiny douches. So if we only graph points in the positive quadrant with higher numbers being bad, and limiting the scale to 1-10, and keeping with the standards (A,D) for reporting purposes, we would get that Bonds would be probably an (8,9) because I feel that his whininess and comments like "after taxes, I make as much as the next guy" (paraphrased quote) that he is more douche than asshole. Assholes are more brazen and in your face about it. TO would score a higher asshole score like (10,7) because while he is whiny, he is also somewhat pschizo in his bouncing back and forth from being unapologetically assholish, to complaining about being misquoted in his own auto-biography and being generally whiny about it.
Therefore this measures assholes and douches, but a score in the range of 2 or less would be in the area of good shit with a score of (0,0) making you at least eligible for badass. Pujols would be considered a badass, because he doesn't whine about how hard things are and works harder than most if not all ball-players in the league. He's also not brazen and has only had a few assholish moments, such as the Oliver Perez-bat flip incident. Everyone is allowed one or two outbursts, and so the worst Pujols could do is a (1,0) score, but his ridiculous amount of charity work and donations, and the fact that he adopted his wife's kids and took on his child's illness as a personal battle elevates him to awe-inspiring badass level.
Some clarification should come as to whether you are measuring attitude or athletic ability, but I'm going to give my ratings based on the whole package as I see it. Granted this is my own opinion and therefore you may disagree, and I encourage you to make the judgment yourself. Here's where I would rate people in the Cardinals organization with or without a brief explanation and then I'll go into peripherals for the org.
Pujols: (1,0) or (0,0) see explanation above
Edmonds: (3,0) or at most (3,1 or 2) This guy plays injured and doesn't whine. He does make awesome catches, but sometimes showboats, and his swings can be all or nothing. 450 ft blasts or K's on 3 pitches
Encarnacion: (6,3) This guy doesn't work all that hard in the field and doesn't maximize his potential. He's been playing better as of late, and he doesn't whine, but he's an asshole because he infuriates the hustle-loving fan.
Eckstein: (1,2 or 3) This guy won't ever whine, but his lack of an arm and his lack of power is kinda douchey. Note that he's still in the acceptable range, as you would expect for an all-star caliber shortstop. He gets a 1 in asshole for swinging early in the count sometimes.
Marquis: (5,4) He is very up and down on the mound, and while he whined about not being a starter in the playoffs, he is also willing to take a pounding for the team. Granted sometimes he's not so much willing as he is unable to stop it, but you get the point.
Izzy: (4,1) This guy doesn't make excuses for himself and so you'll notice that not much of the guys on this team are very douchey.
That comes with the territory in professional sports. A lot less whiners than in the regular population. However, as sports get less and less "tough" there are more douches. People with pads tend to be more douchey. Soccer is more douchey than football which is more douchey than Baseball. However all have plenty of assholes.
When you get into the sports media, you end up in the arena of douchebag heaven. People making wishy-washy assertions, while acting like they're doing everyone a favor, and acting like they are very superior. For example:
Woody Paige: (3,6) Very knowledgeable, and definitely not an asshole most of the time, but the use of props and overly romanticized and apologetic nature towards sports makes him very douchey.
Skip Bailas (sp?): (6,4) He's much more assertive and assholish, especially with Woody, but he's an apologist for Bonds at times, but is very assholish with regards to the Baseball hall of Fame and who should or shouldn't be there. (the man feels that there is no one that should be in that isn't already and thinks that a lot of guys shouldn't be in there that are.)
Vivaelbirdos (including posters): (2,8) This is a site that is very much about throwing stats out there (updating farm system and constantly seeing things like .234/.345./468 etc.) They aren't assholes to anyone, but if you dig into the comments, you run into more whining than you would expect from Cards fans. It's ok to be pissed at the coach or owners for not making moves or being cheap (such is the lifeblood of a sports fan) but the whining is of an epic level there. And the inappropriate overuse of the term Man-crush is very douchey. Every other poster sees themselves as smarter than Jockety, Duncan, or La Russa. There incessant whining about only being good enough to make it to the playoffs, or even make it to the NLCS or World Series only to get beat would infuriate any Indians, Royals, or Brewers fan. The ingrates say they'd rather suck than make it to the playoffs and look bad. These are fans that have become spoiled, and don't accurately represent the bulk of Cards nation that has earned the reputation for being "the best fans in baseball."
These fans are douchey on the level of Yankees or Red Sox fans, but don't have the cahones to at least be a little bit more assholish about it. I'd rather have an arrogant (8,2) than a whiny (2,8) because as F.K.S. has stated, at least Assholes are usually productive. Douches just whine and take up space, and are usually hyper-critical of assholes that are actually trying to accomplish something.
Yankees as a team and organization: (8,3) I hate the Yankees and don't want to give them props. They are assholes, but they are classy in the sense that there is not a lot of room for bitching, with the exception of the owner. The team just looks like a bunch of a-holes, but surprisingly their fans are a different matter.
Yankees fans (not all, and not exclusively NY'ers because they are higher on the asshole scale, and not even the handful of fans I know personally because they don't whine but for the prototype fan): (7,6) Yanks fans like Boston fans are assholes, as are a lot of Mets and Cubs fans. The difference is the whininess when they don't win. This team has won more championships than any other North American team in any other North American sport throughout the history of the time, and yet they still had the nerve to boo Jeter in a down season. It takes a level of douchery that is unmatched by most fans to be that idiotic, but notice that the whininess never elevates over the status of a-hole.
Cubs and Beantown fans are more (6,7) because they cry about curses and won't own up to the fact that they're willing to go see this team and support it no matter how bad it sucks, and even when the team makes decent move, they bitch till the cows come home. It's lose lose. Bad team still makes money, and good aspects of the team get no praise. They will always be a hated team, but unlike the year Boston made it and won, only hopeless romantics and Cubs fans will root for the Cubs to win the series if they ever get close. For Boston a lot more people were behind them - NY fans, and Cards fans, both for obvious reasons. And probably even a lot of Cards fans didn't mind the loss, although they hated the sweep. However, Boston has become more arrogant and assholish since they won.
Matthew Leach: (3,1) Mild mannered and well-informed, Leach is a good site for Cards fans. He's not overly bitchy and know-it-all like previously mentioned fans and states complaints in an acceptable format. Have to give him some numbers just because only Albert gets a 0,0 type rating. Gotta have one of the media good guys in there right?
John Kruk: (5 or 6,2) Sometimes apologist (gets a 2 for it) but always assertive, even when he doesn't know what he's talking about, Kruk is more asshole than douche, although thinking back to his pathetic at bat vs. Randy Johnson in an all-star game where Johnson made him look like a pitcher, he'd score a high douche for that moment.
Harold Reynolds (2,4): This guy loves to love people, and doesn't want to be too harsh on anyone else. Probably explains why he is off of Baseball tonight now. He's not overly douchey although he's in the crowd of apologists also, and he's too-mildly mannered for the analyst position. Being a sports analyst almost requires that you be an asshole. Look at Kruk, Phillips. Boldness and assholishness isn't a bad thing in this position, it's preferred so that you can make your assessment even if it's factually inaccurate.
Me: (4,3) I'll admit that I have some douchey tendencies that I need to work on. I'm more prone to complain about work rather than just do it, although the work will get done. I'm also very conservative, which on the scale of life, makes you more assholish than most (at least in the eyes of libs.) I value reality and results over destructive compassionism. That makes me more asshole. I can also laugh at a joke that is made about race, sex, or disability, so that makes me another tick asshole. However, I don't believe in gay ass naming of children, hyphenated names when you get married, or making excuses for other assholes. Let everyone answer for themselves.
From now on, when I list an athlete, I will mention their rating in (X,Y) format (if applicable, some athletes aren't as well known and they aren't big name enough to have a formal rating like Chris Duncan of the Cards.)
Other huge ratings that come to mind:
Canseco (8,6) less douchey than Owens or Bonds, but pretty damn bad because of reality TV, and you're going to get a high rating if you write a "tell-all" book. It's usually something done by people who are bitter, and is rarely constructive.
Albert Belle (8,5): This guy cheated even when he was strong enough to hit balls 400 feet. Apparently the cork was to hit it 450. He also was accused of stalking a woman and is not in jail. *note* these ratings are in the world of sports, if you had to prorate these people to real-world a-holes like Hitler, they would fall much lower.
I'm using the sliding scale for sports where 10 would be reserved for only the most douchey or asshole people, and only for one or two specific moments. Bonds salary comments which are similar to Spreewell's comments would rank as a 10 for the moment, but since they don't always produce at that level, you can't really rate them as highly all the time.
Spreewell (9,7) Choked a coach, said that his kids would starve if he only made X million dollars vs. XX million dollars. Rates high in Asshole and douchery.
Most sports agents (6-8, 7-9) Agents are assholes no doubt, but the pride-swallowing, excuse making aspect is very much more douchey, although some are a little less douchey and more asshole like lawyers.
Hopefully you get the picture and can go about your day rating people on the asshole-douche scale I have set up.
I'm going to borrow a rating scale from them to rate many athletes and sports sites. For those who don't know the ratings that guys can fall into, they are as follows:
Asshole, Douchebag, Good Shit, or Badass.
Supposedly Badass is supposed to be an asshole who is cool enough to get away with it, but I'd like to think it also encompasses non-assholes who are kingshits.
Assholes are people who knowingly annoy people, either cause they can't help it, or if they are real assholes because they want to. Douchebags are those who think they are cool but unknowingly are annoying like A-holes but in a generally more whiny way. Good Shits are neutral and are generally good guys who go unnoticed, but don't cause harm. Badasses are self-explanatory, although there is an explanation above.
F.K.S. has defined Assholes and Douches as mutually exclusive, but I disagree. For example, Bonds has been described as an asshole for good reason, he knowingly broke the rules (unless you believe that unknowingly took it BS, and also believe O.J. isn't guilty) and he's almost single-handedly made records worthless when it comes to hitting HR's. However, his constant whining, makes him one of the douchiest baseball players in the sport as well. So therefore we would need to measure Asshole and Douche on an X-Y coordinate system, to show that people can be both audaciously asshole, and whiny douches. So if we only graph points in the positive quadrant with higher numbers being bad, and limiting the scale to 1-10, and keeping with the standards (A,D) for reporting purposes, we would get that Bonds would be probably an (8,9) because I feel that his whininess and comments like "after taxes, I make as much as the next guy" (paraphrased quote) that he is more douche than asshole. Assholes are more brazen and in your face about it. TO would score a higher asshole score like (10,7) because while he is whiny, he is also somewhat pschizo in his bouncing back and forth from being unapologetically assholish, to complaining about being misquoted in his own auto-biography and being generally whiny about it.
Therefore this measures assholes and douches, but a score in the range of 2 or less would be in the area of good shit with a score of (0,0) making you at least eligible for badass. Pujols would be considered a badass, because he doesn't whine about how hard things are and works harder than most if not all ball-players in the league. He's also not brazen and has only had a few assholish moments, such as the Oliver Perez-bat flip incident. Everyone is allowed one or two outbursts, and so the worst Pujols could do is a (1,0) score, but his ridiculous amount of charity work and donations, and the fact that he adopted his wife's kids and took on his child's illness as a personal battle elevates him to awe-inspiring badass level.
Some clarification should come as to whether you are measuring attitude or athletic ability, but I'm going to give my ratings based on the whole package as I see it. Granted this is my own opinion and therefore you may disagree, and I encourage you to make the judgment yourself. Here's where I would rate people in the Cardinals organization with or without a brief explanation and then I'll go into peripherals for the org.
Pujols: (1,0) or (0,0) see explanation above
Edmonds: (3,0) or at most (3,1 or 2) This guy plays injured and doesn't whine. He does make awesome catches, but sometimes showboats, and his swings can be all or nothing. 450 ft blasts or K's on 3 pitches
Encarnacion: (6,3) This guy doesn't work all that hard in the field and doesn't maximize his potential. He's been playing better as of late, and he doesn't whine, but he's an asshole because he infuriates the hustle-loving fan.
Eckstein: (1,2 or 3) This guy won't ever whine, but his lack of an arm and his lack of power is kinda douchey. Note that he's still in the acceptable range, as you would expect for an all-star caliber shortstop. He gets a 1 in asshole for swinging early in the count sometimes.
Marquis: (5,4) He is very up and down on the mound, and while he whined about not being a starter in the playoffs, he is also willing to take a pounding for the team. Granted sometimes he's not so much willing as he is unable to stop it, but you get the point.
Izzy: (4,1) This guy doesn't make excuses for himself and so you'll notice that not much of the guys on this team are very douchey.
That comes with the territory in professional sports. A lot less whiners than in the regular population. However, as sports get less and less "tough" there are more douches. People with pads tend to be more douchey. Soccer is more douchey than football which is more douchey than Baseball. However all have plenty of assholes.
When you get into the sports media, you end up in the arena of douchebag heaven. People making wishy-washy assertions, while acting like they're doing everyone a favor, and acting like they are very superior. For example:
Woody Paige: (3,6) Very knowledgeable, and definitely not an asshole most of the time, but the use of props and overly romanticized and apologetic nature towards sports makes him very douchey.
Skip Bailas (sp?): (6,4) He's much more assertive and assholish, especially with Woody, but he's an apologist for Bonds at times, but is very assholish with regards to the Baseball hall of Fame and who should or shouldn't be there. (the man feels that there is no one that should be in that isn't already and thinks that a lot of guys shouldn't be in there that are.)
Vivaelbirdos (including posters): (2,8) This is a site that is very much about throwing stats out there (updating farm system and constantly seeing things like .234/.345./468 etc.) They aren't assholes to anyone, but if you dig into the comments, you run into more whining than you would expect from Cards fans. It's ok to be pissed at the coach or owners for not making moves or being cheap (such is the lifeblood of a sports fan) but the whining is of an epic level there. And the inappropriate overuse of the term Man-crush is very douchey. Every other poster sees themselves as smarter than Jockety, Duncan, or La Russa. There incessant whining about only being good enough to make it to the playoffs, or even make it to the NLCS or World Series only to get beat would infuriate any Indians, Royals, or Brewers fan. The ingrates say they'd rather suck than make it to the playoffs and look bad. These are fans that have become spoiled, and don't accurately represent the bulk of Cards nation that has earned the reputation for being "the best fans in baseball."
These fans are douchey on the level of Yankees or Red Sox fans, but don't have the cahones to at least be a little bit more assholish about it. I'd rather have an arrogant (8,2) than a whiny (2,8) because as F.K.S. has stated, at least Assholes are usually productive. Douches just whine and take up space, and are usually hyper-critical of assholes that are actually trying to accomplish something.
Yankees as a team and organization: (8,3) I hate the Yankees and don't want to give them props. They are assholes, but they are classy in the sense that there is not a lot of room for bitching, with the exception of the owner. The team just looks like a bunch of a-holes, but surprisingly their fans are a different matter.
Yankees fans (not all, and not exclusively NY'ers because they are higher on the asshole scale, and not even the handful of fans I know personally because they don't whine but for the prototype fan): (7,6) Yanks fans like Boston fans are assholes, as are a lot of Mets and Cubs fans. The difference is the whininess when they don't win. This team has won more championships than any other North American team in any other North American sport throughout the history of the time, and yet they still had the nerve to boo Jeter in a down season. It takes a level of douchery that is unmatched by most fans to be that idiotic, but notice that the whininess never elevates over the status of a-hole.
Cubs and Beantown fans are more (6,7) because they cry about curses and won't own up to the fact that they're willing to go see this team and support it no matter how bad it sucks, and even when the team makes decent move, they bitch till the cows come home. It's lose lose. Bad team still makes money, and good aspects of the team get no praise. They will always be a hated team, but unlike the year Boston made it and won, only hopeless romantics and Cubs fans will root for the Cubs to win the series if they ever get close. For Boston a lot more people were behind them - NY fans, and Cards fans, both for obvious reasons. And probably even a lot of Cards fans didn't mind the loss, although they hated the sweep. However, Boston has become more arrogant and assholish since they won.
Matthew Leach: (3,1) Mild mannered and well-informed, Leach is a good site for Cards fans. He's not overly bitchy and know-it-all like previously mentioned fans and states complaints in an acceptable format. Have to give him some numbers just because only Albert gets a 0,0 type rating. Gotta have one of the media good guys in there right?
John Kruk: (5 or 6,2) Sometimes apologist (gets a 2 for it) but always assertive, even when he doesn't know what he's talking about, Kruk is more asshole than douche, although thinking back to his pathetic at bat vs. Randy Johnson in an all-star game where Johnson made him look like a pitcher, he'd score a high douche for that moment.
Harold Reynolds (2,4): This guy loves to love people, and doesn't want to be too harsh on anyone else. Probably explains why he is off of Baseball tonight now. He's not overly douchey although he's in the crowd of apologists also, and he's too-mildly mannered for the analyst position. Being a sports analyst almost requires that you be an asshole. Look at Kruk, Phillips. Boldness and assholishness isn't a bad thing in this position, it's preferred so that you can make your assessment even if it's factually inaccurate.
Me: (4,3) I'll admit that I have some douchey tendencies that I need to work on. I'm more prone to complain about work rather than just do it, although the work will get done. I'm also very conservative, which on the scale of life, makes you more assholish than most (at least in the eyes of libs.) I value reality and results over destructive compassionism. That makes me more asshole. I can also laugh at a joke that is made about race, sex, or disability, so that makes me another tick asshole. However, I don't believe in gay ass naming of children, hyphenated names when you get married, or making excuses for other assholes. Let everyone answer for themselves.
From now on, when I list an athlete, I will mention their rating in (X,Y) format (if applicable, some athletes aren't as well known and they aren't big name enough to have a formal rating like Chris Duncan of the Cards.)
Other huge ratings that come to mind:
Canseco (8,6) less douchey than Owens or Bonds, but pretty damn bad because of reality TV, and you're going to get a high rating if you write a "tell-all" book. It's usually something done by people who are bitter, and is rarely constructive.
Albert Belle (8,5): This guy cheated even when he was strong enough to hit balls 400 feet. Apparently the cork was to hit it 450. He also was accused of stalking a woman and is not in jail. *note* these ratings are in the world of sports, if you had to prorate these people to real-world a-holes like Hitler, they would fall much lower.
I'm using the sliding scale for sports where 10 would be reserved for only the most douchey or asshole people, and only for one or two specific moments. Bonds salary comments which are similar to Spreewell's comments would rank as a 10 for the moment, but since they don't always produce at that level, you can't really rate them as highly all the time.
Spreewell (9,7) Choked a coach, said that his kids would starve if he only made X million dollars vs. XX million dollars. Rates high in Asshole and douchery.
Most sports agents (6-8, 7-9) Agents are assholes no doubt, but the pride-swallowing, excuse making aspect is very much more douchey, although some are a little less douchey and more asshole like lawyers.
Hopefully you get the picture and can go about your day rating people on the asshole-douche scale I have set up.

